Popular belief is that it was due to improper heat treating. Only a few thousand Remington made rifles were ever delivered to France where they promptly failed inspection. Etienne, Manufactures darmes de Chatellerault, Remington Repeating Arms, Etablissement Continsouza and Etablissement Delauney Belleville. By mid 1915 the first rifles were reaching the troops.īerthier rifles were manufactured by Manufactures darmes de St. The result was the 1907-15 Mannlicher-Berthier rifle, officially adopted by France in 1915. Etienne was ordered to begin working on a modified Mle 1907 des Tirailleurs Sengalais which could be rushed into production and supplement the depleting stocks of Lebel rifles. Modèle 1907-15 Mannlicher Forrestry Berthier Carbine La grande aventure des Fusils reglementaires francais 1886-1936 (1996) by Henri Vuillemin (no ISBN number), Springfield Sporters 2001 Catalogue.Ĭanadian Collector Market Value Estimate: $ I like the story behind them, and I think the rifle handles very well (although it does kick fairly hard).Caliber. They are still pretty inexpensive ($250-$300), because there is not much demand for Turkish arms in general. Somewhere around 10,000 guns were converted this way. They were restamped with new 4-digit serial numbers, and the receivers marked "TC Orman" ("Turkish Republic Forestry") with a 1948 date. The rifles were cut down to a medium length, and the front band and nosecap were replaced with leftover spares from 1905 Mauser carbines (with no provision for bayonets). Since a big pile of Berthier rifles in 8x50R Lebel were available, they were chosen for the purpose. Again, details are a bit sketchy, but it appears that a decision was made to deliberately use a non-standard caliber of ammunition for these rangers, so that if their rifles were stolen they would be of limited value (like the British Enfields converted to riot police shotguns in India). After the war, Turkey found itself having problems with illegal logging of its rather valuable Circassian walnut forests, and decided that it was necessary to arm its forest ranger service. There is some question as to exactly how, but the most likely explanation appears to be a shipment of arms from Syria to Iraq sent by the Vichy French at the request of Germany. Forgotten Weapons episode 68 Turkish Orman/Berthier Carbine at the Rangeĭuring WWII, the Turkish government wound up in possession of several thousand (between 5k and 10k) French Berthier rifles, mostly 1907/15 models, but also some Mle 1916s.
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